tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1676181987553275160.post8782655793546511304..comments2023-11-02T05:55:07.603-06:00Comments on Jan S. Gephardt's Artdog Adventures: How do the Paradigms of "Control" and "Respect" Differ?Jan Gephardthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09895263933354211829noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1676181987553275160.post-50501150425066409252011-04-29T09:34:35.772-06:002011-04-29T09:34:35.772-06:00Man, this Blogger interface must just be a horribl...Man, this Blogger interface must just be a horrible ordeal. I am sorry you've had so much trouble commenting.Jan Gephardthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09895263933354211829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1676181987553275160.post-37413642563858006442011-04-28T23:36:47.158-06:002011-04-28T23:36:47.158-06:00Tygepc, I have to say your clarifications would be...Tygepc, I have to say your clarifications would be clearer if your earlier post were still there.Jan Gephardthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09895263933354211829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1676181987553275160.post-60478998879377093362011-04-28T23:01:41.096-06:002011-04-28T23:01:41.096-06:00The last section might be a little counter to what...The last section might be a little counter to what I started out with, but it does fall under respecting the student enough to teach them what they need to know before testing them over it. (What I really fear is that the example teacher is on the college curriculum development board while she is looking for another teaching job elsewhere.) <br /><br />The example for the first section came from high school where those poor people had no control over what they taught to the students, just how it was taught. <br /><br />Just thought I might clarify how things shifted from beginning to end.Tygepchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413399822204104795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1676181987553275160.post-42451355108033244552011-04-28T23:01:16.451-06:002011-04-28T23:01:16.451-06:00Respect for teachers. There is a lot of talk here ...Respect for teachers. There is a lot of talk here about respect for the students; however, the teachers are nearer to the students level than the chart shows. I would actually put them on the same level as telemarketers (not to disrespect telemarketers, but after going through a public school system myself - worksheets. There isn’t much difference now from a teacher’s class guide and the books telemarketers get.) I treat both like innocent victims that need support and help in, at best, adverse situations. <br /><br />For one of your future papers please layout a plan of, not how, but what it would look like, but keep in mind why it should be this way. <br /><br />Look at your next point: exercise is a must, but they don’t have to be divorced from education. They also don’t have to be the torture chambers that many students feel like they are. What ever happened to low-impact and mild jogging? I would say one of the major problems with school is EMPHASIS. Everything must emphasize a point. WHY? When can a student do for the sake of doing? <br /><br />I would go so far to say that enjoyable workouts help to increase learning over fifty times what stationary study does. I don’t have much to back this up, but I see the people who work out as being much happier. Happiness leads to better retention of information. Just saying. <br /><br />All I have to say about tests is best summed up in the paradigm shift that the video game industry game is going through right now. In the 80s, the main point of arcade games was to kill the play within 3 minutes. The more the player lost the more the player spent to try again. Today we have so many games that if one is “unbeatable” it is “unplayable” and people generally say “FUCK YOU” to the game company. <br /><br />Fortunately we have “Portal 2” now. The object is not about trying to kill the player, it is about teaching the player how to solve what would otherwise be unsolvable puzzles. The real challenge is keeping it a challenge, but not something that will overwhelm the player to the point they don’t want to play anymore. <br /><br />Then there is the game for everyone model: Farmville. Anyone can play, those with money get better items, but it has a very good teaching system that helps people discover better ways playing the game. Back in the day I was a Mafia Wars guy. I learned how to prioritize money to build in specific locations to gain more money based on the property. Eventually the game because less about mafia, and more about empire and moneymaking. <br /><br />On the classroom side, why not teach the children based on notes that are used to compile the test, not from the assigned workbook or on some whim that will never show up again, EVER!<br /><br />Wouldn’t it make sense to teach subject material from an assigned reading that emphasizes what the teacher wants the student to get form the reading? I’m currently in college and the majority of my teachers (yes, “teachers” those people are NOT “professors”) haven’t figured this out yet. <br />For example: how the hell am I suppose to know to focus on the occupation of a side character who listened well to the main character, but had no other purpose otherwise for the overall story? If she was so fucking important, why didn’t the teacher take five fucking minutes to point it out then test us on it during the next class period. *Rant over.*Tygepchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413399822204104795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1676181987553275160.post-25165146906477441952011-04-28T22:52:03.107-06:002011-04-28T22:52:03.107-06:00Respect for teachers. There is a lot of talk here ...Respect for teachers. There is a lot of talk here about respect for the students; however, the teachers are nearer to the students level than the chart shows. I would actually put them on the same level as telemarketers (not to disrespect telemarketers, but after going through a public school system myself - worksheets. There isn’t much difference now from a teacher’s class guide and the books telemarketers get.) I treat both like innocent victims that need support and help in, at best, adverse situations. <br /><br />For one of your future papers please layout a plan of, not how, but what it would look like, but keep in mind why it should be this way. <br /><br />Look at your next point: exercise is a must, but they don’t have to be divorced from education. They also don’t have to be the torture chambers that many students feel like they are. What ever happened to low-impact and mild jogging? I would say one of the major problems with school is EMPHASIS. Everything must emphasize a point. WHY? When can a student do for the sake of doing? <br /><br />I would go so far to say that enjoyable workouts help to increase learning over fifty times what stationary study does. I don’t have much to back this up, but I see the people who work out as being much happier. Happiness leads to better retention of information. Just saying. <br /><br />All I have to say about tests is best summed up in the paradigm shift that the video game industry game is going through right now. In the 80s, the main point of arcade games was to kill the play within 3 minutes. The more the player lost the more the player spent to try again. Today we have so many games that if one is “unbeatable” it is “unplayable” and people generally say “FUCK YOU” to the game company. <br /><br />Fortunately we have “Portal 2” now. The object is not about trying to kill the player, it is about teaching the player how to solve what would otherwise be unsolvable puzzles. The real challenge is keeping it a challenge, but not something that will overwhelm the player to the point they don’t want to play anymore. <br /><br />Then there is the game for everyone model: Farmville. Anyone can play, those with money get better items, but it has a very good teaching system that helps people discover better ways playing the game. Back in the day I was a Mafia Wars guy. I learned how to prioritize money to build in specific locations to gain more money based on the property. Eventually the game because less about mafia, and more about empire and moneymaking. <br /><br />On the classroom side, why not teach the children based on notes that are used to compile the test, not from the assigned workbook or on some whim that will never show up again, EVER!<br /><br />Wouldn’t it make sense to teach subject material from an assigned reading that emphasizes what the teacher wants the student to get form the reading? I’m currently in college and the majority of my teachers (yes, “teachers” those people are NOT “professors”) haven’t figured this out yet. <br />For example: how the hell am I suppose to know to focus on the occupation of a side character who listened well to the main character, but had no other purpose otherwise for the overall story? If she was so fucking important, why didn’t the teacher take five fucking minutes to point it out then test us on it during the next class period. *Rant over.*Tygepchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413399822204104795noreply@blogger.com